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你觉得德国绿党是一个左翼政党吗?
对于这个问题,入关人说:
既然是左翼,那不说反帝,那起码也要反对当下的世界经济秩序造成的过于悬殊的国际贫富差距吧?欧洲有哪个著名且合法的政党和这个立场沾边?左,左,狗脚左。
而@李修宇反对入关人的说法:
反对 @凯岩城永不陷落 的回答。
这位对欧美左翼政党的印象恐怕基本上都来自于观察者网和简中自媒体吧。真以为人家不提国际贫富差距? 说实话,你从国内黄右和pinky们给欧美左翼扣的各种各样的帽子就能看出来欧美左翼是切切实实关心国际经济不平等的,只不过欧美左翼不管就这个问题说什么话在他们看来都是虚伪/愚蠢:
- 关心发展中国家的难民/非法移民是白左圣母婊。不关心难民/非法移民是不把发展中国家的人当人。
- 要求他国提高劳工标准是干涉他国内政,削弱他国经济竞争力。支持他国搞劳动力市场自由化是新自由主义的跨国剥削,是用孟加拉/巴西/非洲劳工的血汗供养他们的优渥生活。
- 给发展中国家撒钱搞援助是宁与友邦不与家奴。不给他们掏钱那又是口惠不实。
- 对发展中国家开放市场,进口发展中国家商品,投资发展中国家制造业那是对发展中国家的经济剥削(或许还有对本国劳工阶层的抛弃)。不进口发展中国家商品,不投资发展中国家那是贸易保护经济封锁。
- 要求发展中国家提高环保标准那是他们最讨厌的柴静行为。不要求发展中国家提高环保标准放任污染那是输出污染。
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可能欧美只有无条件打钱给普京、查韦斯、卡扎菲、萨达姆……等人的私人账户,对于他们来说才是“反对当下的世界经济秩序造成的过于悬殊的国际贫富差距”应该做的吧。 这群人,一个个心里明明住着极右翼民粹,还非要用“左”的话语体系来包装他们的保守与反动,大大方方地说出自己国家社会主义的立场不好吗? 最后附上德国绿党的官方政纲里关于国际经济政策的章节,这一章篇幅很长我懒得全文翻译了,一些相关的要点如下:
- 发达国家对发展中国家开放市场;
- 要求发展中国家达到最低的劳工与环境标准;
- 支持多边国际合作机制;
- 增加国际金融市场透明性以反洗钱和制衡跨国资本;
- 对资本市场上的投机性交易征收托宾税;
- 反对保护性关税和贸易战。
全文如下: Having an influential position in the world markets entails the duty of showing solidarity with weaker countries, in particular, in the area of development cooperation. Our objective is to keep our national economy competitive without ruining other economies. There are two main contributions highly-industrialised countries have to make in helping the poorer states in Africa, Asia, and Latin America: opening up their own domestic markets for goods from these countries and, secondly, gradually reducing the huge agricultural subsidies in the North. To avoid merely generating a dumping price war, a policy of open markets for the South must be linked to a commitment to maintain internationally valid minimum standards in social and ecological spheres and in terms of gender democracy. These minimum standards include the right to strike and the right to establish free unions. We support the development of a trade network to provide solidarity with other countries, guaranteeing fair prices for products, and so ensuring these are produced under humane and ecologically acceptable conditions. Moreover, we advocate consolidating and expanding international institutions and establishing binding rules and standards on financial transactions, trade and investment. Multiplying the amount of speculatively invested monetary capital in short-term circulation around the world increases the risks of currency and financial crises, and all their far-reaching social consequences. To counter this, we are calling for improved financial market transparency and enhanced central bank coordination. Systematic steps must be taken to prevent money laundering and capital flight. We are in favour of taxing speculative capital transactions by, for example, applying the Tobin tax. We want to strengthen the influence of supranational institutions on the world economy, such as the International Labour Organization (ILO) or the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, and support the United Nations environmental programme. The aim of sustainable development has to be anchored in the statutes of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank and reflected in the programmes they adopt. With the gathering pace of European economic and fiscal policy integration, the European Union has the chance and the duty to adopt a pioneering role in establishing the model of a sustainable ecological and social market economy. We are against re-nationalizing markets, just as we are against a European protectionism that harbours the danger of trade wars, using protective tariffs to exclude less developed economies. We are in favour of competition between economic locations providing this is not at the cost of either the environment or the social welfare systems in the countries involved. 光顾着说那个凯岩城,才发现这个问题下还有个更抽象的@不如让: 德国绿党几乎就是美国民主党的德国版,只不过还只是德国的第三大党。你觉得美国民主党是一个左翼政党吗?在政治对抗,争夺权力,海外出兵,军火销售,提高税收这些议题上,德国绿党走的比右翼还右。 总结起来,德国绿党是以意识形态为导向的民粹党派,有时候极端到有法西斯倾向。在我看来,80年前德国的纳粹分子,今天都成了绿党党员,只不过是披了一张民主,自由,人杈的皮而已。 ??? 美国民主党≈德国绿党≈纳粹……这大帽子扣得……只能说很有想象力。原本想一条条驳一下的,不过实在觉得没必要,这种抽象派,徒增笑尔。 绿党的官方纲领链接: https://cms.gruene.de/uploads/documents/145643.green-party_program_and_principles.pdf |